Traveled #21 | Fly Fish Food Jimmy’s with Madison Losee presented by Yellowstone Teton Territory

Dave (2s): Today we take you into one of the most famous fly shops in the country. It’s located in the desert and the major route to some of the most famous waters out west recently Fly fish food. Purchased this shop and today you’re going to hear from their new shop manager. You’re going to get some fly shop etiquette and tips and some of the best times to fish. This part of eastern Idaho This is the Wet Fly Swing podcast, where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing, how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip and what you can do to give back the fish species we all love. Hey, I’m Dave host, the Wet Fly Swing podcast. I’ve been fly fishing since I was a little kid. I grew up around a little fly shop and have created one of the largest fly fishing podcasts in this country. Dave (44s): Madison Losee fly shop manager at Fly Fish Food Jimmy’s is going to walk us through some tips on preparing for your next adventure out west. You are going to get some big tips on avoiding the big crowds out there, including fishing on the Henry’s Fork. You’re gonna find out why she doesn’t like a dry dropper in June and July. We’re gonna talk about what she does instead. And we’re also gonna talk about some success on Fish in the Twitch. Get into the twitch today. Plus you’ll hear about the Fly Shops celebrity that walked into her shop this last year and it was a big surprise. We’re gonna hear that story back into Yellowstone Teton territory. Here we go, Madison Losee from flyfishfood.com. How you doing Madison? Madison (1m 25s): I’m great, how are you? Dave (1m 26s): I’m good. Great to have you on the show. I was just checking out, I you’re the manager of the new, it’s not the new fly shop. It’s Jimmy’s was Jimmy’s all season angling and, and now it’s fly fish food. It’s owned by fly fish food. You guys are going through a transition I’m really excited about because this shop was well known. I’ve heard a lot about it over the years. And I, I know you don’t have all the history, but we’re gonna talk a little bit about that and then how you came to run one of the biggest name fly shops out there and your connection to fly fish food. So first off, maybe just tell me how are things going at the shop? Are you in it like on a daily, regular basis? Madison (1m 59s): Yeah, I’m here pretty well every day. I mean, I took a little break. I had a baby this summer, so Oh wow. Had a, congrats. A little break there. But yeah, I’m, I’m in the shop and it’s super fun. We have a great local community, very tying heavy community as well, so yeah, it’s been fun to, fun to be here. Dave (2m 17s): That’s right. Yeah. And I think when we talked to, I talked to Curtis a while back, he mentioned that we talked a little bit about that the fact that the shop is kind of a fly tying shop kind of first almost, right? Like people knew it for that. What is it to you, have you, since you’ve been there, have you been kind of tweaking things or do you just jump in and was it ready to go? Madison (2m 35s): Yeah, so what we did when the changeover took place is we brought in about three times as much inventory as what was in here previously. So I mean, Jimmy was always known for having a great selection and we kind of reworked the shop, so we had room for an even bigger selection of what was there. And that’s been really neat to see the big one that’s made up. I, I’d say like the biggest difference is our, our fly selection in general. And so, I mean, it’s cool ’cause we’re a really tying heavy area, but at the same time you still have all the people that are heading out on a trip and need to know what flies to get and yeah, we probably have four times as many flies as what we’re in here previously. Madison (3m 17s): So about 4,000 different patterns. Dave (3m 19s): Right. So you got a ton of inventory there and people coming through there and you’re in. Tell us what city you’re in there. Madison (3m 25s): Yeah, so we’re in Idaho Falls, Idaho, just on the southeast side of the state. Dave (3m 30s): Perfect. And you’re, so, you’re right in the hub, people coming through if they’re fishing, all those famous waters, the Henry’s Fork, the South Fork of snake, everything out there, you’re, you’re kind of a hub. People are coming through that town right, to get out there. Madison (3m 41s): Yeah, which is really cool. Like where I, Idaho Falls is located ’cause I mean you have I 15 heading north and you know, highway 20 and 26 take you out to some great waters as well. So we’re kind of in a central location and there’s so many great fishable waters within, I mean, even a two hour radius can take you to some really unique locations. Dave (4m 1s): Nice, nice. What, so have you worked in a fly shop before or is this your first gig as a manager? Madison (4m 6s): So this would be my first gig as a manager. So a little background, I worked retail in high school and I’ve always just enjoyed retail, but I, I grew up working for my family’s drift boat company, so I’ve been around the fly fishing industry for a long time, but I also had worked a couple retail jobs on and off while I was working for my family’s company. And then I was kinda just looking for a change and saw that this, this job was coming up and said I may as well give it a shot. And yeah, so it’s my first managing gig, but I have a, a retail background and a fly fishing background. Yeah, Dave (4m 44s): It’s pretty cool. How does it feel with fly fishing food? I mean, these guys are Curtis and you know, the crew, they’re out there kinda leading the way on a lot of things. Does it feel pretty awesome to be with that, that group? Madison (4m 54s): Yeah, I mean it’s really crazy. I mean like take for granted that we work for like the largest fly shop in the country or if not the world kind of a deal. And it’s, it’s really cool to see what processes they have to keep a shop running. And I mean, it’s really cool the like Curtis’s background with everything compliments, Che’s background. So they work really well together that direction and it’s, it’s cool to see how this all works. Dave (5m 24s): That’s it. Yeah, like you said, they’re huge out there. They, I can’t remember, I know we’ve, we have the story on the podcast from years back when we talked to, you know, all those guys. But yeah, they pretty much the videos right, have been running into things. Are you doing any of that stuff? Do you get excited about kinda doing the, I mean you’re doing a podcast now, I know you’ve done some of this stuff. Does this, is this something you like doing, you’re gonna do more of? Madison (5m 44s): So I definitely would say it’s out of my comfort zone. Yeah. But it’s been interesting to do And I mean that’s what life is, is just kind of getting outta your comfort zone. And so like last week I filmed a few fly tying tutorials and Oh nice. Never would I have thought I would’ve filmed a flight tying tutorial. So kind of, kind of crazy, but it’s fun. Dave (6m 2s): Yeah. When you do the flight tying tutorials, were you doing those just kind of on your own or did you have like cheats and, and Curtis like helping get that dow in? Yeah, Madison (6m 10s): So they have the full studio down in Utah, so they just had it all set up. And I had a couple patterns I’d wanted to, to film and anyway, so they, they had their, Brigham does the majority of their filming, so they had all that set up. And I just tied a couple flies in front of the camera. Dave (6m 29s): There you go. And how’d it feel? Is it, you get through it pretty well? Yeah, Madison (6m 32s): I think so. I mean, like I said, it was, it was different ’cause I hadn’t really done something like that before, but, but it was fun. Yeah. Dave (6m 39s): Could we find those, are those out there online yet? Madison (6m 41s): No, they’re not. I’m not sure when they’ll, they’ll be up but sometime soon. Dave (6m 47s): Nice. Well let’s talk a little about, you know, like I said, we’ve been out in that area quite a bit over the last few years and you know, you’ve got some famous waters like we mentioned. When people are coming into the shop, what are some of the most common questions you’re getting? I mean, I, I’m assuming people are buying flies, but do you get a lot of questions, a lot of traffic through there? Madison (7m 5s): Yeah, we get a fair amount of traffic. Where we’re located at Idaho Falls is, I mean right downtown. So not only do we have a bunch of people come in that are heading out to go fish, but we get a lot of like the summer traffic. Dave (7m 18s): Sure. Like people that aren’t even into like maybe new to fly fishing. Madison (7m 21s): Yep, exactly. And so like we have our, like our hats and t-shirts crew that they want something that just says, I don’t falls on it or Yellowstone area kind of stuff. But, but yeah, so I mean where to Fish is always a big one. And what’s cool is, I mean we’re 30 minutes to the Henry’s Fork or 30 Minutes to the South Fork or I mean like prime locations on, on both of those. So we have a lot of people stop in for flies and recommendations on where to go, what Rod should they be using, what line should they use, kind of a deal. Dave (7m 50s): Right. So when people come in there and you’ve never seen ’em before and they’re like, Hey we’re kind of new, we’ve never been out in this area, we wanna go fly fishing, how do you have that conversation? Madison (8m 0s): Yeah, so I mean it like the first question always is like how far do they wanna drive because I think what, what people think is, oh the Snake River runs right through Idaho Falls. This must be the big like snake that everyone wants to talk about fishing and it’s kind of a weird area to try and fly fish. Not that there isn’t fly fishing opportunities right in town, but it’s not when people think oh we’re gonna go fish the snake. They’re not like on the main South fork floating through the canyon Right. In Idaho Falls. So like the first question always is like, well how far are you willing to drive because it, despite the river flowing through town, you’re about 30 to 45 minutes to where you might actually want to go fish. Dave (8m 42s): Yeah. So let’s just say the person has an hour, plenty of time. Can they head over to where do you point ’em if that’s the case? Madison (8m 49s): Yeah, so I mean depending on the time of year, like in middle of June, I wouldn’t say you should go Wade the South Fork, but there’s a ton of waiting opportunities on the Henry’s fork and just outside Ashton. And so we, we send a fair bit of people to, you know, the more popular spots up through there. And I mean it’s so cool. It’s like hatch wise it’s like oh people don’t really recognize like, oh yeah you could be in the middle of the salmon fly hatch. God I know. And it’s like, yep, be prepared for crowds. But it’s really cool. Dave (9m 19s): It is. So even with the Henrys fork, even though it can get really busy, it still can be a pretty amazing time for people going over there, even if it was one of their first times hitting the river. Yeah, Madison (9m 28s): Absolutely. So I mean you’ll float through and see, you know, 20 people within quarter mile section, but they’re all catching fish. So yeah, Dave (9m 37s): That is that, I mean it seems like it’s known as a pretty technical river, you know, how do you, how do you coach somebody if they’re going in, they’re doing a DIY thing, how do you coach them to give them the best shot to you know, hook up with some fish? Madison (9m 49s): Yeah, And I mean, I think that’s where like I think when people think that Henry Swo, their first thought is always, you know, the ranch and that’s where it’s gonna be like more of your technical fishing. But once you get through like some of the lower stuff I wouldn’t say is it’s, it’s as intimidating as you would think. So I mean the first would just be kind of like the time of year, what hatches are there? And I mean if you’re not seeing bugs probably shouldn’t throw a salmon fly in the middle of a bluing hatch kind of a deal. But, so yeah, just being aware of what hatches are going on and then directing people to the spot and you know, how how to fish different patterns in different spots. Whether they’re gonna be, you know, just throwing a single dry or or nim thing or whatever it may be. Dave (10m 33s): Right. That’s a good point. So yeah, it’s not all the ranch so there’s places you can go and probably maybe even get away from some of the crowds and potentially have success still. That sounds like that’s pretty good advice. Yeah, for Madison (10m 44s): Sure. Dave (10m 45s): Nice. So in the shop there, what do you guys have going as far as the, the team? Is it just you in there? Is there other staff in there throughout the week? Madison (10m 52s): Yeah, so we have a couple other, so there’s the assistant manager aj and then there’s another, we have a few part-timers. We have a kid named Henry. There’s Zach and then there’s Kelly GLIs Meyer. But for the most part, like on a daily basis you would, you would see myself and AJ and then Henry’s here most of the time and the other two are just one or two days a week. Dave (11m 15s): Perfect. And so you’ve been there, how long have you been in the shop there? Madison (11m 18s): Yeah, so the changeover took place June 1st of last year or so. I’ve been there since then. Dave (11m 24s): Yeah, so over a year. So what is it, so now that you’ve been in it over a year now, how’s it feel and what is it about the fly shop that you really love? You know, getting in there every day, being there? Madison (11m 34s): Yeah, I really love, you know, the interaction with customers. I mean, it’s so fun. We have, you know, a group of regulars you’ll see every week and there’s a lot to learn from these guys. You know, they’ve, they’ve been fly fishing for, you know, some of ’em 50 plus years. So it’s just really cool to interact with, you know, our local community that direction. And it’s fun to, you know, see and be in the thick of new product and learn as much as you would want to about dubbing or thread or things like that. So that’s really cool. ’cause I, or whatever new fly rods coming out this next year and learning more of like the gear techie side of things is, is fun. Yeah. Dave (12m 14s): Are you kind of a more like a gear techie nerd or more of a fly tying nerd? Madison (12m 19s): I’d say like maybe more gear. I mean I’ve known how to tie since I was about 10, but I wasn’t really super big on it until like the last, you know, being involved in the shop and you wanna mess around with new materials more and more you get ideas and so I’ve really focused on tying more the last year or so. But no, I’d say like a good mix of both. Dave (12m 41s): Yeah. And, and Jimmy, so obviously Jimmy, Jimmy’s all season angling, that was the name before. Do you know a little bit about Jimmy, can you give us a little like of what you know, I mean I’m sure you still get some people coming in, they’re like, Hey, where’s Jimmy? Do you still hear that? Occasionally? Madison (12m 55s): Yes, we do. You know, and, and Jimmy’s such a, a great person and a staple in the community and so there’s a lot of loyalty that goes to him that direction. But Jimmy’s doing great. He’s fishing and hunting all that he could possibly want. He went to Mongolia a couple months ago. Wow. So I mean all these big bucket list trips that I feel like you sit and talk about, I think he’s taking the opportunity to go on. Dave (13m 20s): Yeah, he’s going for it because I’m guessing I, I was never in the shop because he was there, but I’m guessing I hear this from a lot of shop owners where when you have a fly shop you’re, you kinda get stuck in the shop because everybody wants to see you and then you don’t get out and fish and travel. So it sounds like Jimmy’s getting his fix now that he’s missed some years. Madison (13m 37s): Yes, absolutely. So no, it’s been fun and we still see Jimmy, you know, every other week or so he comes in and stocks up on some tying materials and oh yeah, Dave (13m 47s): That’s it. Does he give you any advice? Does he tell you like, Hey, you know, or is he just gotta get his stuff and go? Madison (13m 52s): We sit and chat for a while for sure. He tells us where he is been fishing and how it’s been and what patterns he’s been tying for that. So it’s been awesome. Dave (14m 2s): And does he fish? Pretty much. I mean I, my, I grew up around a shop too, a fly shop and my dad was the owner and it seemed like whenever you asked him a question, I remember when I was a kid, you know, he would like had fished it. Like every place you can imagine is, was Jimmy the same way as he fished everything around that southeastern Idaho area? I Madison (14m 18s): Would say so. He is, he’s covered a lot of water for sure. Dave (14m 22s): Yeah. And what, and what is his name? What’s Jimmy’s last name? Madison (14m 25s): Gauss. Dave (14m 26s): Oh, Gauss. Okay. Nice. So you’re in there. So you’re rolling in the shop and today, I mean we’re in a kind of getting close to November as you know, does the time of year change on what you do in the shop or are you kind of doing the same thing every day, just kind of greeting customers throughout the year? Madison (14m 41s): Yeah, I kind of do the same thing and it’s, we’re kind of heading into that switch of not so many people are going out to fish versus people are stocking up on tying materials. And then we have quite a few people that like, especially like the guides in the community, once their season’s over they start heading on like their salt water trips. So a lot more like salt water materials are getting sold this time of year. Dave (15m 4s): That’s right. And are you, are you gonna be doing any, are you into that destination stuff? Is that something that you’re interested in getting into in the future? Madison (15m 12s): Yeah, I would say so. I mean, it’s kind of hard at the moment and it’s, you know, one of the deals is, is we have so much good water within, you know, two, three hour radius. Unless you really wanna go do like salt water stuff. I have a hard time leaving this area. Dave (15m 28s): Yeah, I know you’re in one of the, one of the meccas, I mean not only all the, you said the snake, but then you have Montana which isn’t far away. Yep, Madison (15m 35s): Exactly. And everything else. And then Wyoming too. Dave (15m 38s): And Wyoming, yeah. That’s the other thing you don’t hear as much about, but Wyoming is huge, right? There’s tons of water out there. Madison (15m 43s): Yep, for sure. So you, we spend a fair bit of time in Wyoming as well. Dave (15m 47s): Oh, okay. Yeah, definitely. So is that your area, if you had a, like a home water or area that you spend more of your time in? Is that, is that kinda where you’re heading or what’s that look like? Madison (15m 57s): I’d say we still spend the majority of our time, you know, on the Henry’s for in the South Fork, you know, just ’cause there’s so close. But then yeah, we definitely make the time to go do a couple trips to Wyoming for sure. I really like the snake through Jackson. That’s a fun fishery. Dave (16m 13s): Oh, the Snake River through Jackson? Yep. Okay. Yeah, I’m not as familiar with the snake. So I mean obviously the snake is huge. I mean it, it flows through all of kind of Idaho and all these, well you got South Florida snake, but kinda is everything out there flowing into the snake? Is that kind of how it’s working? Yeah, Madison (16m 29s): I’d say so. 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And yeah, there’s, we’ve had a few episodes with some of the lodges on there, but is that something somebody can do? Pretty doable? Do you have to have a boat to fish, you know, that part of the snake? Madison (17m 32s): You don’t have to have a boat. The nice thing with a boat is you just get to cover a lot more water and it is a, it’s a big river to do. So And I wouldn’t say or or just be cautious on what sections you’re doing for sure. Because there is like the whole Whitewater Canyon. Dave (17m 45s): Oh there is, there’s some whitewater. Madison (17m 47s): Yeah, there’s a, it’s, it’s pretty heavy in the Whitewater game over there for sure. Oh Dave (17m 52s): Wow. Yeah. And is this something where you kind of need a, a nice kind of whitewater drift boat or people taking the skiffs through there? Madison (17m 58s): I know some people do take skiffs through there, but definitely having a higher bow or a raft would be advice Dave (18m 6s): Little better. A little better for your day. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, that’s thing there’s, there’s tons of opportunities there. And then do you guys do, at the shop, are you doing some guiding, do you have guides outta the shop or is it more, it’s, I guess you’re in the city so you just kind of cover that? Madison (18m 19s): Yeah, so we don’t run any guides out of the shop, which is kind of nice ’cause we can, you know, we’re, it runs with everyone, right? We don’t have to just be loyal to, to one group of guides or anything that direction. So, and it’s nice and easy. You don’t have to deal with the client aspect or we just have people stop in and talk about fishing, Dave (18m 37s): Talk fishing. Yeah. So if people want a guide trip, you kind of direct ’em to a, whoever you know in that area is, is that kinda how you do it? Madison (18m 45s): Yeah, ’cause I mean we’re all guides in Idaho have to be licensed through an outfitter. There’s a number of different outfitters for each section. We just say, Hey, if you’re gonna go fish this place, here’s the list of outfitters that there is in that area. And really during the summer it’s an availability game. So as much as we’d love to say, oh, if you call these people up, they’ll for sure have an opening. A lot of these places get booked out a year or so in advance, especially like during prime time, so. Dave (19m 13s): Yep, that’s right. I know. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta be way in advance if you wanna fish the prime spots and prime time. What do you think is the prime time for the South fork, the snake? ’cause I knew, I know you can fish throughout the year, but is there a bunch of different times of the year where it’s, it can fish good? Yeah, Madison (19m 28s): I mean I wouldn’t say that I love to go during like May and June and runoff is happening, but July is awesome if you can get the salmon fly hatch time dried and you know, heading into August, I really like to fish big foam dries and so that’s, that’s kind of my favorite time to, to head out. Dave (19m 47s): Right. And then that’s the salmon fly. So when those start coming off and is that a little bit later in through June most of June? Or is that a short window or how long does that salmon fly hatch last? Madison (19m 56s): It just depends on water temperatures. And I mean you can chase it for a while through the different sections ’cause you know, it starts low and moves up. So I mean really you have a couple week window that you can fish in different sections of the snake and chase those bigger bugs. But end of June, beginning of July is really when that kicks off. It just depends on water temps and how much water’s coming out of the dam at that time or, or things that direction. Sure. Dave (20m 24s): But that’d be a great time to head out there is to try to catch that. And if you had a boat you might be able to float some sections and, but what does your setup look like? So you have like the, the chubby on on top. Maybe talk about your dry fly setup for that. Madison (20m 37s): Yeah, so I, I’m kind of under the belief like I’m not really into the dry dropper gang because I feel like you’re doing both things kind of halfway. So you either focus on the big dry or you focus on nipping And. I really will just pick whatever size, four size six foam dry for the day and just focus on, you know, getting up into the underneath as overhanging trees or, or whatever that direction. Just getting as close as I can to that bank and twitching it out there is, is my favorite. So Dave (21m 9s): Right and twitching it. So how and how do you avoid getting hooked up in the tree? You know, getting into that, what’s your tip there? Madison (21m 16s): You know, the thing is is just like I tell people you’re gonna lose flies for the day if you’re not, if you’re not getting your fly caught in the tree, then you’re not casting close enough. So just being willing to, to lose flies. But it’s fun to practice your, your cast to get up under the tree ’cause it’s not really what you’re used to doing on a day-to-day basis, I feel like. Dave (21m 35s): Yeah, I guess you just have to practice and get pretty exact, I mean really that’s a cool thing with the fly rod is you can get pretty in that zone. Right. Do you ever feel that way where you’re kinda in the zone and you’re casting perfectly and getting under the tree and that’s probably a pretty good feeling, right? Madison (21m 49s): Yeah, my husband And I will always like it. It’s a joke. You, you’ll make kind of a gutsy cast and we’ll, we’ll like we have this look that we’ll give each other like, oh yeah, like that was, that was a send cast. The, the fish better eat that and then they don’t. But it’s, you know, it’s fun ’cause you, you both kind of know like yeah, you, you hit the right spot, Dave (22m 9s): Right? You hit your spot. Yeah. I heard this tip from one of our expert casting instructors that, you know, we’ve had a number on here, but they said, you know, you get the, the plates or the rings out, you know, and you’re trying to make your fly in the grass practicing, but instead of just trying to make it in the ring, you know, practice, find a little speck of rock right in the middle and try to hit that thing, you know what I mean? Like get very exact And I guess like if you do that enough times, you know, that’ll help your accuracy. Yeah, Madison (22m 35s): For sure. I’d say so. Dave (22m 37s): But there’s nothing that, you know, getting on the water and like you said, casting something under the tree is pretty amazing. Is that when you’re on the South Fork, are those the places you’re pretty much casting up against the bank under the tree? You know, you’re, you’re not really catching a lot of fish out in the mid channel. Is is, is that true? You Madison (22m 53s): Know, there’s some spots where you wanna fish like two, three feet off the bank, but for the most part I like to just get uptight and then twitch it out. And some people there’s like mixed views on whether you should be moving your fly a lot or And I guess it could just depend on the day. But I feel like I have the most success when I am pretty aggressive with twitching my fly. Dave (23m 15s): And what is the twitch to describe that? Is that just a, you’re kind of just flicking your wrist a little bit or what, how do you do that? Madison (23m 20s): Yeah, I’d guess so. Like I kind of do like some funky like half mend kind of a deal just to give the fly some movement or just staying pretty tight with it and, and just wiggling the tip of your rod because I mean, if the tip of your rod’s moving your, your line or your fly is moving as well. So Dave (23m 37s): Yeah. So just kind of wig on, just basically just wig on. Yeah. Do a quick little wiggle on that. Just kind of, I mean it makes sense. It ma it puts movement on the fly. Madison (23m 45s): Yeah. And I mean where the, the south work is so cutthroat heavy. I feel like that they’re more in for the reaction strikes. I mean it’s when you’re fishing bright purple and bright red, you’re just trying to find something aggressive and flashy to, to wake ’em up. Dave (23m 60s): Yeah. ’cause these are, and these are not West Slope Cutthroats, right? These are the Yellowstone Cuties for the most part. Yep. Yeah. And and are those as aggressive as, I’m not sure if you’ve caught many of the West slopes, but they’re, those are pretty aggressive fish, right? Madison (24m 13s): You know, I haven’t done any West slopes, so I I wouldn’t be able to compare those. Yeah. Dave (24m 18s): Well I’ve done a little bit And I always. They are super aggressive at least where I’ve been, you know, kind of more towards, I guess towards Washington or whatever. But yeah, I mean they, they’ll take any dry fly. I’m literally like, we floated the, the middle fork of the salmon on one trip back in the day, And I, I remember I had a friend that was a beginner. He was on my boat and he just, you throw your fly out there on the surface and they’re hitting it. But is that the Yellowstone? I’m assuming that’s not quite at that level? Madison (24m 43s): No, I wouldn’t say that they’re, to that extent they’re a little more lethargic than that. But, ’cause some people think that they’re boring to catch just because of the way that they can fight, I guess. I don’t know. That’s, they’re my favorite fish to catch, but I wouldn’t say that they’re boring. Like some people I’ve heard say Dave (25m 2s): No. And, and there’s, there’s also rainbows right in there too, and rainbows and browns in the South fork Madison (25m 8s): There is, they’re, they’re trying to remove the rainbows so that it’s a more cutthroat, dense population. Yeah. Dave (25m 15s): Which is raising some concern I think from some, some people out there Right. Removing probably some of the bigger fish maybe in the river. Madison (25m 22s): Yeah. It, it’s a, it’s an interesting one and it’s one that I kind of like to say, you know, I don’t have the, the degree that the people have that are making these decisions. So that’s a good way. I just kind, I stay neutral on that one. Yeah, Dave (25m 37s): Definitely. That’s a good, that’s a smart move. What about in the shop there, you know, as far as products, we’re talking on the South Fork. Do you guys have any new products coming in or anything you want to, you know, shed light on, on on the shop there? Madison (25m 49s): We always make sure that we, we cater our gear to, you know, the people that are heading out on the South Fork. So, you know, making sure you have a, a good nine foot five weight rod and you know, the lines to pair with that. And then, I mean, carrying a light large selection of flies for that area as well. I wouldn’t say that there’s like, for sure specifics because everyone has their, their bread and butter, whether they like sage over orbi, over Winston kind of a deal. Dave (26m 16s): Yeah, it’s all good. It’s all good. That’s the thing about the rods is now right. It’s just everything’s great pretty much. Madison (26m 22s): Absolutely. Dave (26m 22s): You know, it’s hard to find a bad rod, which is good, but. Well what about on the casting? So I know that’s something in shops sometimes you have somebody that’s brand new, they walk in there and they’re like, oh man, maybe they just pick up a rod or you help ’em get a rod. Are you doing a little casting instruction out on the sidewalk or how would you coach ’em on to get ’em casting? Madison (26m 38s): You know, we don’t really do any instruction that direction being right in downtown, like casting in the shop is or is kind of funky. You kinda have to go walk. But really what’s super cool about this day and age is the resources that YouTube provides. So you can just sit and watch hours worth of casting YouTube videos Yep. And have a pretty good, good idea. I feel like. Yeah. Dave (27m 5s): Yeah, that’s true. And, I love that. That’s a perfect thing for the fly fish food, right? Because you guys have such a, a huge YouTube channel and I’m guessing that Cheech or are there some fly fish food casting demos out there? Madison (27m 17s): I think there is a few. I don’t know, I haven’t really dug for those. Dave (27m 22s): Yeah, you’ll have to check that out or hit up Cheech or, or Curtis I guess. And is still Lance, is he still out there at the shop down there down south? Madison (27m 29s): Yep. So he’s the shop manager for the the Utah store. Dave (27m 33s): That’s right. And and is it is just fly fish food is just the two stores now? Yep. Madison (27m 36s): So they have the location in Orum and they have their giant warehouse and they just opened up a, a little mini boat shop. Oh, Dave (27m 44s): Boat Madison (27m 45s): Shop, yeah. Down there as well. So they, they’re carrying like a lot of Dave, skadden fly craft kind of stuff. Yeah, Dave (27m 52s): That’s cool Madison (27m 52s): Through there. But yeah, so they have a pretty large, you know, set up in a full warehouse crew and, and there’s shop staff down there as well. Dave (28m 1s): Right. Yeah, I remember, I remember hearing about that. That’s awesome. So the boat shop’s going and you got the crew, but yeah, we’ll, we’ll you’ll have to hit that up and see. We’ll have to take a look if there’s some fly fish food casting videos. I, we recently had, I’m not sure, do you remember, you probably heard of Maxine McCormick? She was Madison (28m 15s): Oh yeah, for sure. Dave (28m 16s): Well she, I just interviewed Chris Koach, which is her coach. Oh, cool. And, and we’ll put a link out to that episode. It was amazing. ’cause Chris is, you know, one of the best casters in the world and he took, basically, I didn’t know the whole story, but he told how he took Maxine, she was nine years old when she got started and within a year or two she was winning like championships. That’s Madison (28m 35s): Insane. Dave (28m 35s): And I was asking, right. It’s insane. I was like, how, you know, how is that possible? And it kind of surprised me because obviously there’s some dedication and skill there, but what he talked about was the rod. He said that there’s a big issue in, you know, in this country especially that a lot of people are getting the wrong rods and, and what she used was a rod and what they all use when they’re casting is these rods from like the seventies and eighties, like first generation graphite or even fiberglass because it, it’s full flexing and it’s just made for like casting, it’s made especially learning to cast. So that was a great tip. He said that actually the, the typical rods you find out there a lot are almost too stiff. Yeah. Especially for new nb, you wanna be able to feel it. Dave (29m 16s): Right. And, I have a few rods like that where you can feel the line all the way into the handle. So that was a good tip and a good tip for anybody listening now that if they want to, if they’re new to casting or if they wanna check that out, I think those fiberglass rods are the full flex is, you know, pretty important. Does that resonate with you? Yeah, Madison (29m 30s): For sure. Because one of the things, and you know, I, I get a little like kickback from this when I tell people when they’re getting their first rod because everyone’s like, fast action, fast action, fast action. And like I kind of get bored of the who can make the fastest rod game that I feel like some people play. But it’s like for when you’re first learning how to cast, how are you supposed to learn how you’re like, how the rod loads if it’s does it too quick before you can even notice it. So no, I definitely understand that point for sure. Dave (29m 59s): That’s it. Yeah, that’s it. And that was what Chris was saying is that, you know, there are some places, you know, especially like wind and you know, higher levels where those fast action rods are great, but you know what I mean, for somebody newer to it, it’s the slow action. So I think that’s, I’m gonna be thinking more about that as I go because I think we all, you know, I’m the same. I mean I’m no professional caster. I love fly casting, but I mean, for you, do you feel like you have some room to improve your casting or are you doing some, you know, you doing any spay castings, trout spay, any of that stuff? Madison (30m 28s): I’ve tried to do a little bit of the spay deal, but I mean it’s, that’s the cool thing with fly fishing is no one’s ever perfect at it. And if anyone says they’re done learning, then they’re wrong. But it’s, it’s a never ending game of practice. Right. So like, I wanna be Maxine when I grow up. Like she’s, Dave (30m 46s): I know, I know. It’s pretty cool. I can’t wait to get her on the podcast. Hopefully she’ll have time. I think she’s in college and doing some other stuff, but, but yeah, that, that is a great story. So, so good. Well well walk us, I I don’t wanna leave the shop too far because, you know, I love the shop talk stuff. So what is it, you know, let’s just say, you know, somebody hasn’t been there before. When they walk in the shop open the door, they’re, they’re downtown, you know, what are they seeing? What’s sticking out to them? Is it the flies? Is it the materials, is it the place surrounded by fly time materials? Give us a little insight. Madison (31m 15s): So like when you walk in the shop, we have our, our front counter and we have like the majority of our clothing, but as soon as people take a few steps back, they’ll see our big fly display, which we keep really well lit. And it’s, it’s pretty bright and flashy. So people are like, oh my gosh, look how many flies. And then, you know, we’ll ask like, do you tie? They’re like, yeah, I tie a little bit. And I’m like, well then you should go check around the corner. And when you walk around the corner, it’s just a giant all of just all fly tying. So that always blows people away. ’cause they’re like, oh yeah, I, I mean I’m sure you guys have some materials. Like no, no, no, we have all the materials. Dave (31m 50s): Really. So you have a giant, another room basically of fly tying materials? Madison (31m 55s): Yeah, yeah. So just the way that the shop’s connected, it’s kind of an l so you just kinda walk and then the main stem of it’s just gonna be all the, the tying stuff. Dave (32m 4s): Oh, I see. So you walk in the door and the first part of the l you’re seeing kind of the flies and everything, then you turn the corner and you have all the flight tying. Yep. Gotcha. Is it set up the same way when Jimmy was there? Like if Jimmy if was back in the shop, was he sitting in the same place where you’re kind of sitting? Madison (32m 19s): Yeah, we, we kept like the main structure pretty well the same, but we, we brought in a lot more fixtures that made more room for inventory. But yeah, it’s, it’s pretty well the same, the front counter. We got a new front counter, but it’s in the same spot kind of a deal. And the office is the same and Dave (32m 35s): Yep, it’s all the same. Cool. This is good. Well, anything else you would give people listening now if they’re kind of heading in maybe to that area for the first time, maybe they’re flying in or driving through any other tips or anything you’d tell them to maybe have success, you know, on the water out there? Madison (32m 51s): You know, the term success is kind of an interesting one I think because you know, every day people come in and they’re like, well I wanna have a good day. Well, you know, what’s a good day to you? Because you’re also in like some of the most beautiful country of the wor in the world, And, I feel like people think that good day is they have to go catch 30 fish. And so I mean there is, there is the success that direction, but I mean the success also could be that they, you know, they made it to a bucket list destination and to really take in that because you know, the fishing might not be good that day and to just get into your head that, well I’m going into the South Fork or the Henry’s Fork, these world renowned fisheries, I’m going to go catch my personal best. Madison (33m 33s): I just don’t think is the right mentality to take into it. Versus, you know, I had a good day because I got to go fish this place and it was beautiful. And I got to throw a salmon fly and a rising fish and it ate my bug and that one fish made it made the day for me. So I think just not getting into your head that you’re gonna go have the most epic fishing of your life versus you get to be in some of the most beautiful country. Dave (33m 59s): Totally. Yeah. That is a great reminder. And that’s what’s awesome about that country is that it is spectacular. Right. I mean you mentioned the Tetons. I mean, how would you describe that area down there? It seems like once you get in kind of you’re on the river, you got these giant mountains. If somebody who hasn’t seen it before, what would you tell them to, how would you describe it? Madison (34m 17s): You know, the, the South Fork is, is really a beautiful place because you’re, there’s a giant canyon full of cottonwoods with beautiful river with different little riffles all along it, you’re driving through, you know, kind of a mountainy pass I guess would you could call it that to, in some areas. And then, you know, you come around the corner and you’re, you follow the South Fork into Wyoming, which can then take you into Jackson Hole. So you can, you know, see those mountains that make up, you know, get closer into the Teton area and it’s a beautiful place. And then you go up into the Henry’s Fork and like the lower part of the Henry’s fork, you’re surrounded by a lot more like farmland. Madison (34m 57s): But it’s, it’s still a beautiful place with different, you know, the different pine trees going up that direction and you know, getting up into the ranch is, you know, the Island park area is gorgeous. Dave (35m 7s): Yeah. It’s pretty diverse, but it is, is it high? Would you call it, I don’t know, great plains or high kind? What, what do you call that area with it? You know, kind of just generally the, Madison (35m 16s): You know, I think that’s what’s Yeah, it’s kind of hard to generalize. Yeah. ’cause you, you look at one side and you’re, you’re full of sage brush and then the other side you’re in the mountains. So with pine trees kind of a deal. So we kind of have a good mix. Like Idaho Falls itself is, you know, considered a desert. Dave (35m 32s): Right. It’s a desert. That’s the thing. Idaho Falls is a desert. This is not, you know, you’re not getting a ton of rain throughout the year, right? Madison (35m 38s): Nope. And so, I mean, we have a ton of sagebrush. We have a, a big sand dune area just north of Idaho Falls and so it’s, it’s really a, a interesting mix of country. Dave (35m 48s): Yeah. Yeah. It is nice. Yeah. And I, I, I mean there’s tons of stuff to do out there. We’ve been talking a lot about that, which is cool. So good. Well we’re gonna take it outta here in a little bit and you know, we have this segment we call our, our kind of top three flies segment. And then you mentioned one of ’em, I think if somebody was in there, what are the other top ones? Somebody’s coming into the shop. What are the fliest people are buying? If you say a top few flies, do you, is the chubby’s gotta be one of them? Yeah, Madison (36m 12s): Chubby’s for sure. You know, the different types of like Tigon NPHs are, are gaining popularity and not just like to Euro nips just to throw off the back of the chubby. Especially, you know, July and August. You a lot of the Pink Albert kind of stuff. Dave (36m 29s): What is the Pink Albert? That’s kind of a, like a, describe that one. Madison (36m 33s): So pink Albert’s, like, you can call ’em a pink PMDI guess, but I think they’re actually like a brown Drake subspecies or something. I, I don’t know the exacts on it, but it’s just a Yeah, Dave (36m 44s): But it’s got pink. It’s, Madison (36m 45s): Yeah, it’s kind of a pinkish hue. So like a pink Albert Hackle stacker I’d say would be like one of our most popular flies that direction. Dave (36m 53s): Okay. And the pink is good because it just gives you a nice, you can see it, right? Is that the point? Madison (36m 58s): It’s actually like the body style is, Dave (37m 0s): Oh it’s the body. Okay. Yeah. Madison (37m 1s): The, the body is a pink that these bugs are kinda have that pinkish hue to ’em. Dave (37m 7s): Oh, there you go. Okay cool. So the pink Albert and, and pink. I was gonna ask you another question. This is interesting on just the pink we were talking, I was recently talking to Heather Hodson on a recent podcast. And I was getting an update on kind of, you know, the, well the Orvis had the 50 50 thing, but trying to get more women on the water. Do you see in the shop there, like what percentage of people coming in are kind of men versus women, you know, in the shop? Do you notice that much? Madison (37m 33s): Yeah, it’s a pretty slim percentage of women coming into the shop. Like women in the fly fishing industry is a really interesting topic. And I’m sure Heather expanded on this really well, but Dave (37m 44s): A little bit, we didn’t, we didn’t get into it really deep. We just kind of brushed on it. But I’m, I’m curious from your perspective, ’cause you are in the, in the fly shop, And I know, some people have complained that’s one of the issues, right? Like fly shops aren’t set up for, you know, women And I. It kind of makes sense a little bit because obviously like you’re saying it’s majority men, but Yeah. What is your, what is your take on it? Madison (38m 2s): And it’s, it’s an interesting one because I mean, I’ve grown up in the fly fishing industry, so I’ve always kind of been odd man out that direction. I mean, you’re in a group of 40-year-old guys at 20 years old. Like that’s just kind of the way it is. You know, I, I think it’s great that more, more women wanna get in. But it’s also interesting I’ve noticed like because I go fish with my husband or I was taught how to fish by my dad, I don’t get put into this category of like, well girl power. And like I said, I, I love the fact that more women want to get into it. But it’s an interesting one. There’s like two categories of like shame all guys because Oh right. Madison (38m 43s): Versus like, yeah, I just wanna go out and fish because it’s fun to go out and fish. Dave (38m 47s): Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The shame all guys thing seems kinda, you know, not good And I think part of it is I guess that yeah, a woman comes into a fly shop and then there’s say you’re obviously, you know, you’re, you would be different I’m sure, but you know, a guy is behind the counter and maybe he doesn’t give her the time of day or thinks that maybe, you know, she kind of plays down because maybe she’s not knowledgeable. Right. I don’t know. I’s that’s some of the stuff you hear about, which I’m sure is, is true. Yeah. So that’s the question is how do you avoid that? But I, I’m guessing, you know, at, at Jimmy’s that they’re at your shop. That probably doesn’t happen. I mean, you kind of see it like whether it’s a, a woman or a man, it’s kinda the same thing. You treat ’em the same. Yeah, Madison (39m 25s): Absolutely. And I mean it’s funny on the receiving end of things, I, I get asked, you know, every other day if I even fish and it’s like, well gosh, I don’t know why I would be working in a fly shop, let alone managing a fly shop if I didn’t fish. Yeah. So I always just respond. Yeah, I do. Do you? Yeah, And I kind of like puts ’em in a stumble ’cause they’re like, well yeah I guess I do because I, IM in the fly shop and yeah. So it’s, it’s just kind of a funny one. Dave (39m 50s): Yeah, you kind of almost make it funny. Yeah, right. And then they see the, yeah, I think I feel like most people, I mean I’m just thinking are not, they’re not even aware. I don’t think people are trying to be, you know what I mean? Like that’s just kind of, because it’s this bias that’s just probably there naturally. So I think, I don’t know the 50 50 movement, I’m not even sure if Orvis is talking much about that, but I think, I guess the original thought there was to just help get more women involved and make it easier for people. Right. Do you know much about that? Is that kind of your thoughts on it? Madison (40m 19s): Yeah, I think that, you know, providing op like, you know, fair and equal opportunities for women to get out there and not just, you know, I feel like fly fishing for the longest time has been an old man’s club and you know, at the end of the day, like that’s the majority of the industry and you have to recognize that but also still recognize that the industry is ever changing and that more girls want to get into it and so they should be provided the opportunity and so Dave (40m 48s): Exactly. Nice. Perfect. Well I’ve got a couple of kind of random ones and then we’ll take it outta here today. I always love to get a little insight onto the area. So you mentioned, you know, you’re in the city, so if somebody was coming in there maybe on their way out or back from a trip, do you have some local restaurants that you would point people to or that you love? Madison (41m 7s): Yeah, the first one that we always recommend is the Snake Bite that’s just a block over from the shop. It’s a pretty locally known restaurant, it’s been around for a long time. Harrison Ford flies in to go eat at the snake bite. Oh wow. Yeah. Dave (41m 23s): Nice. So he’s a big, he’s a big fisherman. That’s right. Madison (41m 26s): Yeah. And he has that, I think he has a place in Jackson Hole and so he comes into Idaho Falls. I would guess a fair amount from what I’ve heard. I’ve never ran into him. But Dave (41m 35s): You haven’t, are there a few? Yeah. I’m assuming there’s a few big, I know we’ve talked to Henry Winkler, the Fawns on the podcast and there’s kind of a few, have you seen any other celebrities coming through for fly fishing or anything there? Madison (41m 46s): The dad from Modern Family, what is his name? I think it’s Ty Burrell. He stopped in the shop last year and it was kind of a funny one ’cause you’re like, wait, you kinda look like someone I know and like, well I don’t, it can’t be him because that’d be weird that he is in a fly shop in Idaho Falls. And then we had one customer come up and ask him like, are you the dad from Modern Family? Or he said, you look just like the dad from modern family’s. Like, well that’s because I am. I’m like, wow. Oh my gosh. Well look at that. Dave (42m 14s): There you go. Nice. So the snake bite’s a good place. And then, and then what about, what about things to do? So if you’re not fishing, what is Idaho Falls? I mean it’s like you said, it’s in the desert. Anything going on throughout the year there, you know, in that area. Madison (42m 27s): So we have a pretty cool farmer’s market that runs on Saturdays through the summer. But I mean we have, there’s a lot of hiking around people will, you know, dirt bike, mountain bike, the outdoor recreation in a hole. I mean it’s a popular destination to go to go hunt as well. Yeah. So Dave (42m 45s): Right. Hunting’s huge. Madison (42m 47s): Yep, for sure. So I mean we have great upland hunting, you know, big game hunting waterfowl. We’re pretty special that direction. Yeah, Dave (42m 55s): It’s a pretty, yeah. Amazing year. I’m assuming there’s probably as many, if not more hunters and then all the other outdoor activities. Right. There’s lots of other stuff to do there. Yep. Does the fishing there, are you there working throughout the year? Does it change? What happens in the winter time? Say after, you know, January, February, is there still some fishing to be found out there? Yeah, Madison (43m 12s): The Southport fishes, well all year it just, you know, depends on how you would like to fish it kind of a deal. So mid hatches nymphing gets really productive so the water stays open. So it’s not like you’re rowing out of anything. But, and then we have a lot of people, you know, getting ready to go, you know, steelhead or, or things that direction. Oh yeah, Dave (43m 35s): Yeah. Steelhead was not far. How far do you have to go for Steelhead from Idaho Falls? Yeah, Madison (43m 39s): It’s about three hours. Yeah. Dave (43m 40s): So head over to what the, the salmon or where would people Madison (43m 43s): Yep, the salmon. Yeah, Dave (43m 44s): Salmon. Then Clearwater probably isn’t too far just head west out there. Madison (43m 47s): Yeah. I think we’re about six or seven hours from the Clearwater. Dave (43m 50s): Okay. Yeah. So the salmon’s the closer one. Yep. That’s not bad at all. Yeah. So you do have steelhead within a few hours and then like we said, you got everything else around you. Do you get down to Utah much? I know obviously the, the headquarters is down there. Is there some good waters to fish down there? I know there’s a few. Madison (44m 7s): You know, I, I haven’t gone and fished there too much. I’ve gone a couple times. But yeah, the Provo and the Weber, you know, some of the like still waters there are really popular like strawberry outside of that. Just outside of Orm too. Dave (44m 23s): That’s right. Nice. When somebody comes in on the fly shop. And what would be your advice to them? Do you have any certain, how do they get the most out of a fly shop? Do you have any questions, dumb questions you get asked or things people shouldn’t be asking or, or what would you tell somebody now that maybe hasn’t been to a shop or you know, wants to do the right thing? Because I know sometimes one thing you don’t wanna do in a shop is go in there and not buy anything. Right? Like get a bunch of advice and not buy something. Is that, is that good to be thinking about, it’s Madison (44m 48s): A funny one ’cause like someone told me one time, like, I don’t go into a fly shop without spending $40 because I feel like that’s what their time is worth. And not necessarily saying that my time is worth that, but I just thought it, it made me have a different perspective on going into a shop because you know, I wanna make sure that I’m not just taking info and leaving Yep. Dave (45m 9s): Buying from Amazon, right? Madison (45m 10s): Yep, exactly. But I mean, one of the questions we always get asked, or not always get asked, but you know, people ask, well what are they hitting on? Right? Yeah. Okay. Where, how, when, yeah. Like Dave (45m 22s): Yeah, what are they hitting on? Yep, Madison (45m 23s): Exactly. So it’s like Dave (45m 24s): Too general. Yep. So you stop, you, you walking through, like you said, the start, you kind of walk into like, Hey, first of all, how much time do you have? And then maybe start talking about getting a feel for their skill level. Like they’re probably not going to the, you know, some of these popular sec or these high pressure sections if they’re not the highest skill. Right. So you’re, you’re kind of checking that out and then directing them from that point. Yeah, Madison (45m 46s): I’d say so And I mean, the other part of it is, is I don’t feel like you have to be an expert to fish in a lot of places around here because you know, every blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Right. But yeah, Dave (45m 58s): So it’s great about fishing. Yeah. Madison (45m 59s): You can have a beginner fisherman come in and show you a picture of a 27 inch brown he just caught. So, so I would never like discredit someone that direction and everyone’s got a different way to fish or that they prefer to fish. And if you have someone coming in saying, well I only throw size 16 dries, well you might not, you see, you kinda have to cater to like preferences that direction. Dave (46m 22s): Right. Or I don’t Euro nph. Right. Yep. That’s, or I don’t nymph at all. I mean, do you get, I’m sure Euro nymphing, especially with Lance down at the other shop, are you, are you getting in on that? Is that something you do a little bit of? Madison (46m 34s): To be honest, I have never tried Euro Nymphing. Dave (46m 37s): Nice. There you go. Madison (46m 39s): I mean, not to like discredit people that do it. Dave (46m 41s): Lance hasn’t poked you at all. Well I guess he, that’s cool thing about Lance is not like he’s just, he does everything. I mean, he’s a great fisherman, right? Madison (46m 47s): Yep, exactly. So, you know, with the, the limited time that I, I get out to go fish, I kind of have the mentality if I’m gonna go out, I’m gonna fish the way I wanna fish. And if I don’t catch a fish that’s fine. I felt good about how I was fishing and yeah, so, ’cause it doesn’t really excite me to, you know, a lot of people do the double nim under a indicator deal. Like if I’m gonna fish, that’s not really what appeals the most to me, so I’m not gonna focus on it. Dave (47m 15s): Yep. Perfect. Good. All right Madison, well I think we could leave it there for today. we will send everybody out to fly fish food.com. Jimmy’s, they can find it there. And then you’re at Madison Losie underscore on Instagram, right? Yep, Madison (47m 29s): That’s correct. Dave (47m 30s): Perfect. Well thanks for all the time today. This has been great. I appreciate you shedding light on the shop. I will be stopping by there for sure and, and checking it out. I next time, I’m not sure when our next trip is gonna be out there, but we’re hoping to do some more stuff this next year. So yeah, thanks again, And I, appreciate all your insight today. Yeah, well Madison (47m 46s): Thanks for having me. Dave (47m 48s): All right. Quick call to action. Head over to the website, that’s fly fish food.com. Check in there. You can also check in with Madison, Madison Loey underscore on Instagram. Check it out right now. Let her know you heard this podcast. And if you get a chance, would love if you follow this show. If you’ve been enjoying our program here, focusing on some of the Yellowstone Teton territory, you can check in there as well. That’s wetly swing.com/teton and you can find out some of the other shops Outfitters, if you’re interested in heading out to this part of the world. The best chance some of your best success, especially if you’re new, is to get an outfitter. Get a guide, head over to wetly swing.com/teton right now, and you’re gonna be able to check out some of those great lodges and and operations. Dave (48m 34s): All right, we’re heading outta here. Hope you enjoyed this one. Looking forward to getting to that next episode. Enjoy it and we’ll look forward to talking to you very soon.